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Least favorite dungeons and outdoor areas?
09/13/2015, 08:31:10
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Xanax writes:
Well, Darkmoor, of course, but I'm not sure that's at the top of my list. I find myself avoiding dungeons whose layout is in some way confusing, or that take a long time at the appropriate level. I hardly ever do the abandoned temple beyond Andover Portobello's quest in New Sorpigal. I also avoid the Hall of the Fire Lord because I can figure out how to get around in there and I always have to go back and forth multiple times in the basement areas of Varn, because I just can't remember the layout. As to outdoor areas there are a few that are tough, but I think I mostly dread clearing Frozen Highlands because of the harpies on the mountains, which makes getting cursed doubly hard to avoid. I wonder what everyone else's take is on this. By the way, I'm playing through again, partly because I always enjoy it, but also because with a steadily fading memory it's a good test. It's been about 4 months since I last played a game and both remembering which quests to do and the layout of dungeons - plus trying to remember where I was and what I was doing yesterday when I load my game again - is a good benchmark. The latter is my bigger problem, so I guess it's mostly short term memory that's fading, which is not as big a concern.
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I agree with you about Hall of the Fire Lord
09/13/2015, 11:05:27
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Peter2 writes:
That place is a severe rectal pain, and is without doubt my unfavourite dungeon. I quite enjoy Darkmoor, though. I don't tackle it until I have to, by which time my party is roughly level 70. At that level, my Dark Magic casters Dragon Breath spells just blow the Eyes away, and the Power Liches succumb very quickly to Shrapmetal at contact range.There's a technique for tackling the harpies in the Frozen Highlands, which I find works reasonably well. You need Fly, Meteor Shower, and decent bow skills. Enter the Frozen Highlands from Silver Cove, not across the bridge from Free Haven, get up as high as you can, and fly north to the mountains NE of Hargraeve. Keep a good eye out, and as soon as you spot the harpies, hit Return to enter turn-based play, pick out the Harpy Witches, and target them with arrows at extreme range. When they get close enough, centre a Meteor Shower on them if they're still close enough to the mountain tops. The essence is to pick out the Witches, and hit them first. Don't get blind-sided!
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I have to be fair to the knight..
09/14/2015, 02:57:40
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tp writes:
with a bow of explosive impact, he handles the Harpies quite well.
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I've never tried starting from Silver Cove.
09/14/2015, 07:20:37
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Xanax writes:
I usually just fly as far north as I can from the Castle stormguard side and start there. Other than I do pretty much what you suggested with bows and meteor shower, though I've never tried targeting the witches first. I actually don't have as much trouble with it now as I used to, and saving and reloading can bypass most of the issues. I think I've just got it in my head that it's a major pain and always dread it. I had a major dim-witted moment yesterday doing the Temple of Baa in Ironfist. I'd done all the bathhouse stuff and was going to open the doors on the little room in the middle. I remembered NEWS but I just couldn't get the doors to open after I did that. Frustrated, I finally went and looked a couple of spoiler sites and both of them said that you needed to do the main temple/altar area before you could open those doors. I was sure I never did that before but I went ahead and cleared all that out, went back, and the doors still wouldn't open. Saved and reloaded and tried over and over again. What was I doing wrong? I was clicking on the signs in NEWS order instead of the doors. It wasn't till I tried clicking on different doors that I finally got the 'click' and realized my error.
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Could it be that you were facing the wrong way?
09/14/2015, 20:08:46
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Peter2 writes:
Remember that when you're facing north with a door in front of you, it's the SOUTH door?
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Peter, no, I was clicking on the wrong thing.
09/14/2015, 20:23:58
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Xanax writes:
There's a little plaque next to each door that displays a message when you click on it - I kept clicking on those instead of the door.
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Aaah, right! Yeah, that wouldn't work. 
09/15/2015, 14:59:22
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Sort of on this topic - what do you consider 'cheating'?
09/19/2015, 11:32:21
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Xanax writes:
I mention this because I once would have listed Castle Alamos as one of my least favorite dungeons, but now I do it in about 4 minutes. Run in, go up the elevator, enter JBARD and you're done. I don't even kill anything. I used to think you had to click on all the trees and I don't remember when I figured out that you don't have to. The game allows it. Is it cheating?Similarly in Superior Temple. I just go to the two rooms with the keys and go back and open the chest. I don't kill much in Castle Kriegspire either. I don't see any reason too. And, more and more often I'll use the secret door at the top of the ramp in Darkmoor, which actually makes that a not terribly difficult dungeon. I mean it's there in the game. I'm not sure why if you're not supposed to use it. I guess Darkmoor and Alamos feel a little more like cheating than the others, but I'm not sure why. Just wondered what others think.
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To cheat or not to cheat
09/19/2015, 15:47:50
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Chandor writes:
I wouldn't call any of that cheating. Exploiting bugs is cheating I would say, and using an editor is definitely cheating Not that it matters much in a single player game of course, the only person you affect is yourself.
Personally I like to kill everything and do everything, but that's just me.
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No such thing as cheating in a single-person game.
09/19/2015, 20:12:59
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Peter2 writes:
Who are you going to cheat? Yourself? That's impossible. You can't cheat yourself, that just doesn't make any sense at all. You play the game the way that suits you best at the time you're playing it. You've bought the game, you've paid for it, you are absolutely entitled to play the game however you want, and nobody has any right to to accuse you of doing anything wrong. The most they are entitled to say is "I wouldn't do it like that". That's their opinion, but there is no reason that it should impinge on you at all. It is again your absolute right to shrug your shoulders and continue playing the game in any way you please.Sometimes I use the feature in the game that gives my druid Dark Magic, and sometimes I don't. Occasionally I equip my sorcerer with a sword, but mostly I don't. And so on. The only time a person can cheat is when he/she has made claims about what he/she has done within stated limits, and he/she has lied about it. What most people mean by "cheating" is that the game has not been played in a way that obeys the rules they they think should be followed. And I maintain that those people have no right whatsoever to inflict their rules on any other person. End of argument.
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Maybe I should have phrased that a different way.
09/19/2015, 21:27:24
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To clarify.
09/22/2015, 17:14:11
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Xanax writes:
I put 'cheating' in quotation marks intentionally; I should have phrased it better. I guess what I meant is - what are your own guidelines - for you - when you're playing the game. I've done about everything that can be done (though I've never used an editor), and what I do will vary according to my primary purpose in playing a game. But I still have my own basic guidelines for what I consider a fair game. For example, I really think the NWC dungeon should be avoided, but I hit it at least once as often as not. I don't, in general, think that you have to clear every dungeon that you enter, but I've played a game where I did that. I consider the way I usually do Kriegspire fair - I kill just a few minotaurs in the side rooms on the way to the secret switch and that's about it. That's really all that's required to do the quest. Similarly in superior temple. But I consider the secret door in Darkmoor to be a 'cheat' in a way. I'm kind of ambiguous about Alamos. I feel like I ought to do more than just run in grab it but I also know there are easier ways to hit every tree without killing off the whole place. Oddly, I reload at shops all the time but never multi-loot. I can't explain that. If I'm playing a solo game (which I'm about to try again) then everything is fair game. I'll take all the help and shortcuts I can get including the NWC dungeon. I was just curious as to other's viewpoints on this.
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IMHO, using the NWC dungeon or the +20 level well are just ways to modify the difficulty level of the game. ..
09/27/2015, 02:18:55
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tp writes:
Many other games allow you to set your own level of difficulty from easy to difficult. Not too many people will think of that as cheating.
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