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Knight as damage dealer - Spear/Sword or Sword/Sword? Minotaur - 2H Axe or 1H Axe/Dagger? And Vampire? Dark Elf?
05/05/2010, 14:27:38

    Starsabre writes:

    Greetings, tavern!

    I am trying the game with five melee characters (since i always went with all mages through M&M games and now i want something different).

    My question is what's the best way to deal damage in melee for a developed Dark Elf, Vampire, Minotaur and Knight?

    So far my thoughts are:

    Knight - after some serious amount of investment Spear/Sword seems to outweight Sword/Sword due to Spear skill buffing damage... but it seems that it should be a really big investment because you waste 7+6+5+4+3+2 skillpoints just to allow wielding sword in offhand, that gives you absolutely nothing aside that (if i'm correct the bonuses from sword skill do not count when you use spear/sword, only spear skill, am i correct?)

    Vampire - once again since as i understand dagger triple damage wont work if i equip Dagger/Sword i should go with two daggers and max dagger skill for max damage? Or will dagger triple damage still work if i equip sword in main/offhand?

    Dark elf - Sword/Sword seems the best? Or does using master dagger in offhand/mainhand allows me to make critical strikes while having sword in another hand?

    Minotaur - so far Balthazar's Axe seems the best and so maxing axe skill is the way (occasionally putting points in armsmaster). But is it so? Or should i go after having 1 handed axe in main hand and expert dagger in offhand?

    Thanks for the replies!





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05/06/2010, 04:46:52

    Naal writes:

    Knight use 2 swords and put all extra points to armsmaster. If you duel wield sword you get 2 more damage per point of armsmaster. With Sword/spear each point of armsmaster only add 1 damage.

    Minotaur use 2 handed axes. Split extra skill points equally between axe and armsmaster. Axe and dagger combo doesn't work very well

    Vampire use 2 daggers and max dagger for damage and increase critical strike.

    For dark Elf 2 swords don't do that much more dagger than 2 daggers. Even if you give them the 2 sword relics it only does 20 more damage per hit. Sword/Dagger will slow down your attack speed as well. I would stick with 2 daggers and spend any extra skill points on other skills.





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Knight
05/11/2010, 09:28:19

    GrayFace writes:

    Spear/sword. Spears deal more damage and there's a vampiric artifact spear you may find.
    Don't invest any skill points above Master into Spear. It won't add anything when dual-wielding except Armor Class if you bump it to Grand Invest into Armsmaster.
    "With Sword/spear each point of armsmaster only add 1 damage."
    Wrong. Armsmaster always adds +1 on Master and +2 on Grand.




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Knight
05/11/2010, 23:05:53

    Naal writes:

    From some tests I ran some years ago duel wielding Terminus and Glomenthal did the most damage. I don't think I've ever run across that vampiric spear that Grayface is a mentioning.




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It's called Soul Drinker or something like that and
05/12/2010, 15:53:10

    Zedd writes:

    it is all black except for the two ends which are silver. It's about as tall as the wielder. Fine, fine relic (it's only downside is a massive hit to luck, somewhere around -30 or-40).




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vampiric spear
05/16/2010, 12:38:36

    eli the lich writes:

    1 spear artifact has the vampiric proerty.
    but sontime with luck I got labrinith of darkness its kind of spear (more a trident) with the of darkness that is vampiric and swift .
    IMHO 1 of darkness weapon is best combo for knight or troll you hit hard and heal and you got a fast weapon 2 all 2 hand combo make 1 slow attack




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Vampire
05/11/2010, 09:46:59

    GrayFace writes:

    Dagger/dagger. Invest equally into Armsmaster and Dagger. If you have a Haste caster or high enough Armsmaster to have recovery time of 30 for sword, use sword/dagger. You can also invest a few points into Sword just for recovery time. Triple damage will still work for the dagger (it only triples dagger's own damage) and other bonuses of Dagger skill will stay the same. Though, when I made solo Vampire I went with daggers all the way, because I didn't have recovery time display in my patch by that time.




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Vampire
05/11/2010, 22:48:52

    Naal writes:

    Also keep in mind that Vampires can only get basic skill in armsmasters. If you get GM Hour of Power for a Cleric it should get your recovery time down to 30 or pretty close to it. There's also an artifact vampire only dagger called Foulfang that you can get for obtaining the obelisk treasure. It's only slightly stronger than a normal dagger and adds elemental damage of 10 if I remember right.




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Oops. I forgot they only have basic Armsmaster. Then most skill points should be invested into Dagger and Sword probably won't be of use.
05/11/2010, 23:44:14

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Minotaur
05/11/2010, 10:12:35

    GrayFace writes:

    If you use dagger in offhand, you won't get most bonuses from Axe skill.
    So, use Axe or Spear without anything in offhand.
    For solo Minotaur I think Spear is better, for two reasons:
    - Recovery time of 80. Axe reaches it only when skill is 20. Then it gets faster than Spear.
    - Vampiric spear artifact.
    For party play, though, Axe may be better.




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