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Just started GOG version
05/08/2016, 00:49:08

    laudheat writes:

    I just started the GOG version of MM9.
    I gave up on the original 20? years ago, due to all the bugs.
    This version is 1.3. What is on the 1.3a patch?




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Gladiator Class
05/08/2016, 01:00:23

    laudheat writes:

    I'm going to try a party of Gladiator/Assassin/Priest/Lich.
    Dual-wield daggers for assassin?

    For the Gladiator, I can't decide between Blade (dual-wield), blade/shield or spear (dual wield).
    Any strong opinions on this?





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In my opinion, that's a good party.
05/08/2016, 12:13:07

    Peter2 writes:

    Definitely dual-wield daggers for the assassin, give him Black's Heart for one and Integris for the other, and the throwing dagger Trolleri as his ranged weapon.

    I prefer to deal damage than turn the Gladiator into a tank, so I normally arm my gladiator with a sword and a spear, Gungnir for the spear, and Jorhgamesh for the sword, together with Kraftig Bage for the ranged weapon. However, this is no more than personal preference, and if you prefer "tank" mode, it's perfectly playable.

    Give the Lich the artifact throwing axe Tillhygge.





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1.3a patch?
05/08/2016, 18:52:17

    laudheat writes:

    I'm playing GOG's MM9, which apparently includes patch 1.3.
    What does 1.3a do? And where do I find it?




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Game is stopped indefinitely
05/08/2016, 19:59:33

    laudheat writes:

    The game is stopped unless I can find a way around ANOTHER bug. I'm on The Isle of Ashes. I rested after a fight. When leaving rest mode, I returned to a black screen. Sound works, compass changes if I move, footstep sounds indicate I'm walking, but screen is black. Stays black.




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Some part of the graphics display chain has failed....
05/08/2016, 21:26:53

    Bones writes:

    It's probably CSHELL. Have you applied the final update for that?




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CSHELL
05/08/2016, 22:00:00

    laudheat writes:

    No. Where would I find it? So new to here.




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My CSHELL
05/08/2016, 22:15:36

    laudheat writes:

    The CSHELL file in the directory I have is csell.dll and dated 9/12/2011. Is this the most recent?




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The date isn't a reliable way to tell....
05/09/2016, 19:36:08

    Bones writes:

    That 9/12/11 date is probably when GOG acquired the file. The file size might also not be unique depending on how the file was modified (hacked vs re-compiled).

    What I can tell you is that Mok's final version is at the link below. The file size is 970,752 bytes.



    Related link: Mok's final CSHELL version

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Mok's CSHELL
05/09/2016, 20:59:49

    laudheat writes:

    Thank you for Mok's final CSHELL. I loaded it to my data directory in GOG's MM9. The little ship crawls across the Main Screen when I call it up, which it didn't do before, so I know it's reading.

    Most importantly, the sloooooooow movement between screens (Inventory, Main, etc.) is a thing of the past.

    Bad news: My screen still goes black after Resting. . Luckily, the software only cost me a grand total of $4.28 U.S.
    So, if it doesn't work out, I'm not exactly broke, lol.

    And, as I said before, IF they're actually using your 1,3 patch, I don't know where it's loaded at. There's also a text file that says Welcome to Might and Magic IX, version 1.2.

    BUT, the 3 text files labelled TELPs 1.3 ARE also in the directory. Confusing for me, at least.





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Have you tried ALT-tabbing?
05/09/2016, 21:22:18

    Bones writes:

    Sometimes one can re-set the graphics by minimizing the window and then switching back. Are you running full-screen or windowed?




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ALT-TAB
05/09/2016, 21:59:13

    laudheat writes:

    I tried ALT-TAB while in darkness. It appeared to minimize to another dark window(very fast) then back again to darkness.

    It's running in windowed mode. I don't know how to change that, if it can be changed.





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I'm pretty sure there was an option to change modes in the setup panel....
05/11/2016, 08:42:52

    Bones writes:

    In earlier M&M RPGs the F4 key would toggle between modes, but I don't think that worked in MM9 -- or at least not on all systems. Wouldn't hurt to try.




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Modes
05/11/2016, 15:22:21

    laudheat writes:

    No option in GOG's setup to change modes.




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I just inadvertently deleted one or more replies to this post. Please re-post.
04/06/2017, 09:11:31

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You probably have the 1.3a patch....
05/08/2016, 21:24:01

    Bones writes:

    The 1.3 patch was officially available for about 2 hours. After I posted it I realized that I have left a few files out. The game's splash screen still says 1.3 but the patch is called TELP13a.exe and is dated 6/9/03 7:41pm.

    The GOG version is not quite the same as the original 3DO version. Most but not all of the fixes will have been applied.





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1.3?
05/08/2016, 22:13:49

    laudheat writes:

    The splash screen does indeed say "1.3", but I can't find TELP13a.exe anywhere (tho I might not be looking in the right place). GOG's main MM9 folder lists 3 texts files, titled TELP13 License, Readme and User Guide, but no TELP13a.exe (no TELP13.exe for that matter).

    A README file acknowledges that this is GOG's version of MM9 1.2





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Wait! The GOG version includes our 1.3 patch???
05/09/2016, 19:03:55

    Bones writes:

    They never asked us about it. Of course, we have no rights to the game and can only claim 'fair use'. It's nice that they gave us a mention, though.




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1.3
05/09/2016, 20:45:01

    laudheat writes:

    As I said, I'm confused about it. The Main Screen says 1.3, and the Main Directory has the three text files, but I CAN'T find TELP1.3.exe anywhere in the folders.




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I'm guessing that they used the modified files....
05/09/2016, 21:18:15

    Bones writes:

    Our patch modified several of the data files. The *.REZ files are essentially zipped archives. Our patch was created by editing some of the files within the archives and then creating new archives.

    I don't have easy access to the modified archive files right now, so I can't tell you the file sizes. I modified the SCRIPTS, DATA, RUDE and ART archives (at least). ART.REZ has that splash screen with 1.3 on it, so it looks like GOG used at least that one.

    This is good to know, but I'd like to verify that GOG used all of our files. If so then we can assure folks that that don't need our patch for the GOG version. I'll try to resurrect that hard drive and get back to you on the file sizes.





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File Sizes
05/09/2016, 22:03:00

    laudheat writes:

    I'll skip a step for you and list the file sizes on the .REZ files in the data directory that you mentioned. (GOG version)

    ART.REZ= 74,973 KB
    DATA.REZ= 581 KB
    RUDE.REZ= 729 KB
    SCROIPTS.REZ= 2,179 KB

    Hope this helps.





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GOG
05/10/2016, 21:19:06

    laudheat writes:

    Sent a message regarding my black screen to GOG.com. If they can't help, maybe I'll at least get my whopping $4.28 back.




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New black screen
05/10/2016, 21:22:24

    laudheat writes:

    Now screen goes black when my party is walking in the field west of Sturmford. Walk onto a spot... screen goes black.




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Perhaps it's your drivers....
05/11/2016, 08:38:11

    Bones writes:

    This doesn't sound as though the game is failing. It was designed to run at 800x600. I'm thinking that your display drivers are having a problem rendering the old code. There are three ways you might fix that.

    First, check for newer drivers. The problem (if there is one) might have been fixed.

    Second, change your screen's resolution to 800x600 or some other 4:3 aspect ratio -- at least while you're playing the game.

    Third (my favorite), plug in an old CRT as a second monitor.

    Fingers crossed.





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My reply from GOG.com
05/11/2016, 15:27:08

    laudheat writes:

    GOG.com replied to my attempt for help:

    "Unfortunately, your operating system (Windows10) is not supported for this game. We weren't able to make the game work reliably on our test computers, running that system. Do you, by chance, have an older computer with an older operating system? If not, we'll credit your account."

    So I guess that's it.

    Well, you at least know two things now you didn't know before. GoG DID use your 1.3 patch for their version, AND Windows10 won't support MM9.

    I guess it's on to "Witcher." I've played MM6 & MM7 (both on WIN10) to death.

    Thanx for the prompt replies. Game on!





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OK A brand new set of problems
05/11/2016, 17:06:22

    laudheat writes:

    I've promised myself I'm not going to become the site's "24 hour pest." So, I'll try a couple more things, then not bother anyone any more.

    If you read my above post, you saw GOG.com's response. They basically threw up their hands and gave up on having this run on Windows 10.

    I tried ONE MORE THING.

    I got a friend to loan me his 2 CDs from the original MMIX. I installed them, installed Mok's Final CSHELL, then installed and launched TELP's 1.3a from the "Patches" section of this site.

    Good news and bad new:

    The good news is that my party can now come out of Rest Mode without a black screen.

    The bad news is that I have little or no control over my mouse. The indicator arrow reacts 15-30 seconds after I move my mouse pad, then it over-reacts. Navigating the Inventory Screen takes a quarter hour this way.

    I'm rather hoping this is more easily solve-able than the prior problems. I tried adjusting "Mouse Sensitivity" and "Turn Speed" in "Game Controls." No help.

    Please tell me this is much ado about nothing.

    P.S. I'm willing to be our guinea pig on MM9 and Windows10 if y'all are willing to tolerate a pest.





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This is wonderful!
05/11/2016, 22:58:17

    Bones writes:

    That you're willing to test for us, that is. Plenty of folks come here for answers but never post. We can help a lot of folks by examining you setup.

    It's also good to know that the different versions of the game are behaving differently. Frustrating, certainly, but it gives us clues and something to work with.

    I'm I correct in presuming that you didn't try an old monitor with the GOG install?

    The problem you're having now is due to bad code in the 2D engine. That could be either mm9.exe or cshell.dll.
    It might be that someone with the right skills needs to modify cshell for Win10. Do you have mm9.exe (and lithtech.exe) set for WinXP SP3 compatibility mode?

    I have one more experiment to suggest, but first let us know if compatibility mode helps.





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Umm
05/11/2016, 23:27:40

    laudheat writes:

    Yes, I'm willing to be a guinea pig...but you're going to have to hold my hand thru some of this. I have NO idea how to set mm9.exe or lithtech.exe for WinXP SP3 compatibility mode.

    Not that I can't learn.





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To set the compatibility mode of a program...
05/12/2016, 00:58:36

    Bones writes:

    ... right-click on the file's name and choose Properties. Choose the Compatibility tab. If Win10's interface is the same as Win7's, check the box to enable compatibility modes and select the desired mode from the dropdown box.

    Also note the other settings available on that screen. They might come in handy someday.





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OK Good news and bad news
05/13/2016, 20:46:48

    laudheat writes:

    I right clicked on mm9.exe. A menu popped up with "troubleshoot compatibility" as a choice. I clicked this and got another box (eventually) that said:

    settings applied to mm9
    Windows compatibility mode: Windows XP (Service Pack3)

    Did the same for lithtech.exe. After the 2nd file, I was prompted to launch the game, which I did. I was taken from the "3DO" opening advertisement (which I hit escape) then to The Main Menu.

    My mouse cursor moved better within The Main Menu. (Good news)

    I clicked on "Load Game" and waited nearly 2 minutes (Bad news)

    Two minutes really IS a long time if you're doing nothing else.

    I was FINALLY brought to the "Load Game" screen. But there were NO save games listed. Not even "Autosave"

    And I DO have a couple save games (More bad news).

    Have I just lost the old saves and need to "Start Game" again for a new start? Or is this a sign of a different problem?

    Thanx in advance for the next answer.





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I'm guessing that the game has lost its access to the Saves folder....
05/13/2016, 22:36:09

    Bones writes:

    If we're lucky then all that's needed is to go back into the Compatibility tab of Properties for mm9.exe and check the 'Run as Administrator' box.




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This happened to me some years ago, and . . .
05/14/2016, 06:27:40

    Peter2 writes:

    . . . the problem turned out to be that the savegames and their folder had magically become "Read only". It might be worth checking their "Properties" and making sure that they are all "Read/Write". I've no idea why this happened.




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Read Only
05/15/2016, 09:54:25

    laudheat writes:

    I clicked on my SaveGames folder and clicked on Properties. My only two options are "Read Only" (clicked right now) or "Hidden."




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Yes, that refers to the actual folder file, not its contents....
05/15/2016, 18:53:19

    Bones writes:

    If you were to check the properties of the savegame files themselves they should have Read Only and Hidden unchecked. And they probably do.

    You might need to adjust the Permissions on the SaveGames folder, but first make sure that mm9.exe is marked to run as administrator.





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ALL APPLICATIONS PACKAGES
05/16/2016, 17:01:51

    laudheat writes:

    It appears that my security permission(?) is set for ALL APPLICATION PACKAGES. Should I change this to CREATOR OWNER or Administrators? Or is this what I need?




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Dang! I'm not familiar with those permissions. Must be new to Win10.
05/16/2016, 21:30:35

    Bones writes:

    Please try them all, one at a time, and let us know if there's a difference.




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