Original Message:   I didn;t say NO MAGIC, but rather
NO OFFENSIVE magic. I still believe some magic is essential for buffs, healing, and travel but not fireballs, etc.

I like KKKD myself, covers everthing and is very melee oriented.

The default team is fine too . . KTCS, I just don't let them learn any offensive spells.

I can't see where the term "nice melee oriented game" contains any oxymorons.

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